ANDRA passes No Cage for 10's for modern vehicles.

[vevapower]

The Australian National Drag Racing Association is set to make big changes to its rules for street cars, with modern ‘street registered’ vehicles being permitted to run without roll cages down to a limit of 10.00 seconds for the first time.Under the new safety rules, vehicles manufactured post January 1, 2008 will be able to run as quick as 10.00 seconds and as fast as 140mph (225.30kph) (whichever is reached first) for the quarter mile without a roll cage.ANDRA technical manager Steve Power has commissioned various reports on safety developments in modern street vehicles and, importantly, how these translate to the drag strip.“For some time there has been debate on the suitability and application of later model safety improvements and related restrictions,” he said. “There was merit in the theory, corresponding ADRs and improvements in safety ratings all suggested manufacturers were headed in the right direction for ‘on street’ safety standards. However there was a significant gap between ‘on street’ performance and ‘off street’ racing.”In early 2013 ANDRA commissioned a number of tests and computer simulations to be conducted and certified by a recognised engineering firm. The goal was to get a thorough understanding of not only modern safety features and how they would relate to a higher speed incident, but also how older cars could be brought up to a safe standard while not compromising some state registration requirements.A full presentation and accompanying certification was considered by the ANDRA board and approval was granted for the implementation of new standards in regards to late model (01/2008) cut offs.“Many modern vehicles are capable of covering a drag strip very quickly but also safely and we hope that people who have previously worried about having to extensively modify brand new vehicles will now be able to race in a safe and legal environment,” Mr Power said.Street registered, sedan-based vehicles (and derivatives such as utilities and wagons) with a compliance identification plate of at least 01JAN2008, will be allowed to run down to 10.00 seconds and 140mph, whichever is exceeded first, under the following conditions:• Late model vehicles with a high centre of gravity (such as SUVs and vans) do not meet the definition for sedan-based vehicles and as such are not accepted.*• Vehicles must be enclosed, no convertible-style vehicles permitted.*• Prohibited modifications include: any alteration to structural parts of the vehicle, floor pan alteration, firewall alteration, wheel tub modifications and any alteration to ADR safety items.*• Vehicles may use OEM modern three point seatbelts using pre-load tensioners will be acceptable. Harness seatbelts of 4pt, 5pt or 6pt design are also acceptable.If you have any queries about the changes, please email Steve Power at*steve.power@andra.com.au.Licence RequirementsDDL = Divisional Day Licence, SSL = Super Street LicenceNote: Racers competing in Super Street at a regional championship level or higher require a Super Street Licence. Racers competing in Super Sedan require an Unlimited Drag Licence.

[GTP owner]

A good sensible decision, with many street cars scared off coming to the track because they need a cage. A stock Porsche turbo breaks into the tens these days!

[05_ENFORCER]

An old rule due for a long overdue review/change

Hooray

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[CAT600]

FG/VE onwards... probably a good call for the local cars considering the BA shell is not really much different to the AU from late 90's anyway and all commo' pre-VE were underweight for there size.

Anyone that runs a 9 has probably achieved their goals for a streetcar one would assume anyway... I know thats how I feel with the FG (and not with the AU )

Good work ANDRA

Daniel

[T4ME]

BF MK11 can still run yet early BF cant sort of makes sense

[rednose]

Lucky my BF is a 2008 model, unlucky for veva as he's now at over 140 MPH.

[dieseltrain79]

Funny as a lot of imports can do a 10 with factory engines & drivleines , have similar safety designs , yet miss out ....

Really ? I don't see this moving with the times ......

I see it as a cop out for anything other than a handful of late model weapons ....

Technically it's 5 year old cars which should still be under warranty , and not running 10's anyways !

Guess I'm just ****ed as I was aiming at 10's with the next stage in my car hoping it would fall within the Airbag 4wdiscs rules ....

And yes running standard everything with Highflowed turbos & e85 . That's all it needed .

But I don't want to cage it, so it won't happen now :(

[vevapower]

Watch the the 2nd hand FG market explode now.

took them 20 years to make this change so I guess we should be somewhat greatful.

[T4ME]

No balls and contradicting masses at the helm.

They have followed the yank rule.

[jd dad]

Surely some dispensation is better than none? These rules are there for competitors safety not just to pee people off. Don't know if Id like to be in any car rolling at 140mph, airbag/4w disc or otherwise without a cage and harness etc.

[Giant]

Just go race at heathgoat....

[63futura]

I wonder if they will change to the 10.5 for old cars like we have on Wednesday nights

[prasac]

Originally Posted by 63futura

I wonder if they will change to the 10.5 for old cars like we have on Wednesday nights

ur funny

i can't see that happening, would be good if it does, got aloooooot of mate's running on the cusp of 10-sec passes.

[XT302]

Originally Posted by prasac

ur funny

i can't see that happening, would be good if it does, got aloooooot of mate's running on the cusp of 10-sec passes.

Isn't this already the case in Perth?
WSID same track managers arn't they?

[prasac]

Originally Posted by XT302

Isn't this already the case in Perth?
WSID same track managers arn't they?

i meant WSID, Ray Treasure used to work for Perth i believe, but, different rules apply for insurances.

[ronnyBB]

This thread name is such a fricken tease
What a let down for 97% of the readers

[dieseltrain79]

Veva , how many people does this rule change honestly please , compared to how many it could really please if it were for a lot of pre 2008 cars ...

So I can go buy a new Suzuki Alto , 2jz rwd the thing and run 10.00 @ 139.9mph .....

Seriously imagine that coming undone and bouncing off walls .....

That's the issue . I have with it .... It's just a load of BS IMO , more cons than pros

[GTP owner]

Originally Posted by dieseltrain79

Veva , how many people does this rule change honestly please , compared to how many it could really please if it were for a lot of pre 2008 cars ...

So I can go buy a new Suzuki Alto , 2jz rwd the thing and run 10.00 @ 139.9mph .....

Seriously imagine that coming undone and bouncing off walls .....

That's the issue . I have with it .... It's just a load of BS IMO , more cons than pros

No you can't. To do that modification you will need to alter the floorpan, which will require you to run a full cage for those times.

Why can't people accept that this rule change means it encourages more people with quick cars out onto the strip? Especially the late model crowd who can get into the tens with little work. An R35 GTR will run tens for the price of a tune. An FG will run tens for less than $10K. What is not to like?
So what if your 1991 soarer misses out? Going by the rules before the change, you could't run without a cage anyhow.

[dieseltrain79]

Veva , I was guaging the changes would fall in line with Perth & Willowbank , as you would expect a national administration to cover all setups and tracks with the same rules .

I'm not sayin it's a bad thing for those that it suits ...

But I fail to see how a 2008 onward car suits differently than a 2003 . How did they conclude a date ?

IMO , they changed the date to 2008 as it means many cars is still under factory , so there would be a bare minimum increase in how many competitors this would suit .

At the end of the day , it is what it is ....

And I you want to have a 10 second streeter you can legitimately race , you need to have over 40k to do so . It has priced out a lot of budget conscious racers .

And budget doesn't always mean dangerous

My opinions not aimed at any persons , just the organisation .

[Giant]

+1 for budget conscious racers, I wish I had Paulie's budget..........

[prasac]

Originally Posted by Giant

+1 for budget conscious racers, I wish I had Paulie's budget..........

and i wish i had Campo's budget

my car is pretty budget conscious, compared to others. although it should run 6-sec passes, the car should be pretty low maintenance, as will do my own tuning, new spark plugs every meet $30, oil & filter $100, fuel $120.

10.5W tyres are the biggest thing, changing every 30 passes (4-5 meets) @ a cost of $1000

probably spend more on food knowing how much we eat, target is under $1000 a meet

apart from packing chutes and checking tune, won't be alot of maintenance inbetween rounds.

[Giant]

Originally Posted by prasac

and i wish i had Campo's budget

my car is pretty budget conscious, compared to others. although it should run 6-sec passes, the car should be pretty low maintenance, as will do my own tuning, new spark plugs every meet $30, oil & filter $100, fuel $120.

10.5W tyres are the biggest thing, changing every 30 passes (4-5 meets) @ a cost of $1000

probably spend more on food knowing how much we eat, target is under $1000 a meet

apart from packing chutes and checking tune, won't be alot of maintenance inbetween rounds.

I can afford to run it just not build it lol

[prasac]

what was the ANCAP rating on the FG's vs the BA/BF? maybe some argument to be made there??

if car's score a certain ANCAP rating or whatever other scale their is, maybe they can run those vehicles?

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by prasac

what was the ANCAP rating on the FG's vs the BA/BF? maybe some argument to be made there??

if car's score a certain ANCAP rating or whatever other scale their is, maybe they can run those vehicles?

AU-B series were all 4 star, FG 5 star.

VE launched 4 star but at some point was reclassified 5 star.

[dieseltrain79]

Not all ****y and moany , it is great for those that can take advantage of the rules ! And spectators can see some late model weapons .

Forgot to add that in there somewhere ... Hehe

[63futura]

The stupid thing for us in Perth is we can run 10.5s on a Wednesday night with our old cars but not allowed to race an Andra event unless we slow them down to 11.00

[ronnyBB]

Originally Posted by 63futura

The stupid thing for us in Perth is we can run 10.5s on a Wednesday night with our old cars but not allowed to race an Andra event unless we slow them down to 11.00

ANDRA is the problem, actually the world of suing is the real problem
Racers want to race at their own risk
I know i know its an insurance issue but its a real pity that a way cant be found to allow old quick street cars
You'd expect more entrants and more spectators that way
I feel like the sport is struggling as it is (especially in Adelaide) and this cage rule is stunting the growth of the sport
I know alot of the old school racers are in the 9 or 10 sec bracket with their street cars, its just so easy to do these days if you can save a bit of coin (or have saved over a lifetime) and you cant even use them on the track
My winge

[63futura]

If they can do 10.5s on Wednesday nights surely they can do the same on a race night in regards to insurance
I have no problem with cages and I would be happy to run one but if I do I then have a cage welded in and it cant be regod in WA
Its hard trying keep a street car a street car and run it as fast as you want down the strip

[Giant]

Originally Posted by 63futura

The stupid thing for us in Perth is we can run 10.5s on a Wednesday night with our old cars but not allowed to race an Andra event unless we slow them down to 11.00

Put a cage in and it only runs 11.00 due to the extra weight

[ronnyBB]

Originally Posted by Giant

Put a cage in and it only runs 11.00 due to the extra weight

Actually not such a bad idea to run extra weight!
Have some serious lead bolted down, do your tuning and when ready to go home, unbolt the weights and see what she does and get sent home lol