BF Falcon.

[Ultimate]

Hey i was reading that the new boss motor on the bf falcon coming out in october is 298kw. Its funny that holden tried hard and got there 6litre 297kw motor just so it was a bigger power. Even knowing that my car magazines say that the gt falcons with the 290kw boss motor out performed it in the field. Now ford have made it 298kw for the next one and beat holden with a nice 1kw.

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[Kapn_Kiwi]

Where'd you read that?

[galaxy xr8]

Oh boy, here we go!!!!.

[LTDHO]

Other than w@nk value.
What is the significance of one kilowatt?

[XAGSV8]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Oh boy, here we go!!!!.

Agreed, sad thing for us Ford fans though is the LS2 is majorly detuned due to the current chassis not being able to handle much more power. The LS2 is also only running manifolds instead of extractors.

[OzJavelin]

I'd doubt 1kw means anything if the Falcon still weighs a few hundred kg more than the equivalent Holden?

Like the DOHC 5.4, the LS2 is still pretty "underdeveloped" .. still plenty of potential.

Also, I hope Ford (or Holden) aren't playing funny-buggers with the measurements??!!

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by GSWXA

Agreed, sad thing for us Ford fans though is the LS2 is majorly detuned due to the current chassis not being able to handle much more power. The LS2 is also only running manifolds instead of extractors.

I wasn't saying that in Ford's defence, I mean't this topic.

[XRated]

Where did you read this? I'm sure the next Commo (VE) will be a fair whack heavier than the VZ, with the revised suspension and all the rest. The LS2 has loads of potential.. Anyway, why can't they just make it three-friggen-hundred?!

[paul7v7]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Oh boy, here we go!!!!.

yeah i agree...just another sh1tstirring thread. ing_sm

[Ryan]

Its only 1 extra KW. lol

I dont think that will do alot.

[Dave_au]

Actually I believe the measurement of kw developed at the flywheel that ford uses tends to overstate the kw on its engines, meanwhile the measurement of kw that Holden uses tends to be more conservative. So, say for instance the engine was 298kw in ford's measurement would probably be 290-1kw in Holden's measurement.

[Sox]

Originally Posted by Dave_au

Actually I believe the measurement of kw developed at the flywheel that ford uses tends to overstate the kw on its engines, meanwhile the measurement of kw that Holden uses tends to be more conservative. So, say for instance the engine was 298kw in ford's measurement would probably be 290-1kw in Holden's measurement.

So GM always seem to say, however chassis dynos never seem to agree.

Rick.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by GSWXA

Agreed, sad thing for us Ford fans though is the LS2 is majorly detuned due to the current chassis not being able to handle much more power. The LS2 is also only running manifolds instead of extractors.

Erm.. ok? Majorly detuned? In Corvette C6 form (where we get it from), it produces 400hp 400ftlbs (299kW 542Nm). In HSV form it produces 398hp 391ftlbs (297kW 530Nm). Main reasons being the different exhaust system used in the HSV compared to the 'vette.

[Sourbastard]

You chimps better believe this thread is gonna be watched. So keep it civil while you argue about the pro's and con's of an unverified 1kw increase to a car none of you own.

[4.9 EF Futura]

I read that the BF FPV series were retaining the 290kw rating.... ??

Whilst comparing US to Aussie eqiv.. do the Mustangs run a naturally aspirated 5.4 at all?? Or only the 4.6 (that'd have to REV wouldnt it??) Supercharged 5.4 is at 450hp in the Shelby GT500 so our nat asp 380hp is no slouch...

[merlin]

Originally Posted by Ultimate

Hey i was reading that the new boss motor on the bf falcon coming out in october is 298kw. Its funny that holden tried hard and got there 6litre 297kw motor just so it was a bigger power. Even knowing that my car magazines say that the gt falcons with the 290kw boss motor out performed it in the field. Now ford have made it 298kw for the next one and beat holden with a nice 1kw.

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So were did you read this? Provide a scan or link.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

I read that the BF FPV series were retaining the 290kw rating.... ??

Whilst comparing US to Aussie eqiv.. do the Mustangs run a naturally aspirated 5.4 at all?? Or only the 4.6 (that'd have to REV wouldnt it??) Supercharged 5.4 is at 450hp in the Shelby GT500 so our nat asp 380hp is no slouch...

The Mustang GT has a 4.6litre SOHC 3v per cyl V8. 300hp 320ftlbs (224kW 434Nm).

The only Mustang to ever run the 5.4 N/A was the 2000 SVT Cobra R. It had 385hp 385ftlbs (287kW 522Nm) and was able to rev to 6500rpm. The 4.6 in DOHC Cobra form went to 6500rpm also.

Don't forget though, Ford USA tends to underrate its cars, unlike Ford Australia. For example, the Supercharged 4.6 Cobra was rated 390hp 390ftlbs factory.. but on a dyno, would give anywhere between 370 and 390rwhp. The 305hp Mustang Mach1 would give 320rwhp on the dyno... haha.

That 450hp GT500 is probably making closer to 500...

[clampy]

wah wah..

my car has 165kw... suck on that! (in golf scoring, that means i kick evryones ***, except hyundais)

[Heeno]

Originally Posted by Steffo

The Mustang GT has a 4.6litre SOHC 3v per cyl V8. 300hp 320ftlbs (224kW 434Nm).

The only Mustang to ever run the 5.4 N/A was the 2000 SVT Cobra R. It had 385hp 385ftlbs (287kW 522Nm) and was able to rev to 6500rpm. The 4.6 in DOHC Cobra form went to 6500rpm also.

Don't forget though, Ford USA tends to underrate its cars, unlike Ford Australia. For example, the Supercharged 4.6 Cobra was rated 390hp 390ftlbs factory.. but on a dyno, would give anywhere between 370 and 390rwhp. The 305hp Mustang Mach1 would give 320rwhp on the dyno... haha.

That 450hp GT500 is probably making closer to 500...

is this thread about mustangs or the new BF??

anyway like most of us would like to know, where did you get this info from???

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by Heeno

is this thread about mustangs or the new BF??

anyway like most of us would like to know, where did you get this info from???

Lots of American car-nut friends. One of them had a 2002 SVT Lightning, 5.4 SOHC 2v S/C V8.. 380hp 450ftlbs (284kW 610Nm) stock... dyno'd it when it was stock and got 356rwhp (266rwkW) and 448rwtq (607rwNm).

Ford USA's been doing that for a while now, since some big lawsuit against them about one of the Cobra's (late 90s or 00 model, sometime around then). Ford claimed it had 320hp, and it had 20hp less or something, Ford said it was because the muffler they were supplied with wasn't built to their specs, blamed the supplier etc etc. Class action suit against some unhappy Cobra owners, so Ford fixed all the cars and brought them 'back' to 320hp. I can't remember the exact details. Anyway, ever since then, they've been underrating all their performance cars.

[MITCHAY]

Doesnt the the LS2 have 305kw if measured in the same way as Ford does?

[VZSS250]

[funny that holden tried hard and got there 6litre 297kw motor just so it was a bigger power. Even knowing that my car magazines say that the gt falcons with the 290kw boss motor out performed it in the field.

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Dont start talking magazines because the last Bang for Your Bucks had some nasty quotable lines about the Boss motor, especially in relation to the GT, where it was described as "having had a big sunday lunch and in desperate need of a nap".

8kw aint gonna change that. But the sound and hood will be sexy as ever.

[YOOT]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Doesnt the the LS2 have 305kw if measured in the same way as Ford does?

Yes that is correct, the Boss 290 makes around 285 in the same money, so the HSV version of the LS2 has an easy 20kw advantage over FPV, and not to mention the fat midrange the 6.0 has that the peaky 5.4 does not. Then there is the weight advantage and the oh so annoying hookup advantage that the VT-VZ chassis has always had when launching.

Even if dynos tend to show the GT to be making 10-15kw more at the wheels, the fact that it gets hosed by the LS2 (and the 285kw LS1) simply means that the on paper, and the on the dyno is totally useless and should be banned from forums discussions as a point of comparison.

The LS2 ownes every thing in Fords stable even the Typhoon, and so it should, its been biult to do just that. This motor will happily make 350kw with a tune and exhuast (its is coming, don't you believe it!).

However I'd still take a midified XR/F6 over on e any day, just to annoying the HSV loyalists!

As for the FPV line up? All BOSS motors will retain the the same power ratings as none of them run Dual VCT as the other motors do (which got a nice faten up of the midrange torque). Only the F6 which runs Dual VCT retains the same power as it already has a unique version of the 'upgrade' the SOHC 5.4, and Braa 190/245T picked up.

Orion is where the big changes will take place. And remember the Federal Government has granted Ford Aus $28 Million to keep developing the 4.0 Six so its stays in Australia.

EDIT: The BF GT runs dual exhausts out the back, I suppose it is entirely possible that it might pick up a couple of watts, but honestly, its the 6-speed that will do the most good this range, not the power output. Expect the F6 to be a reall stunner, embarissingly so to both HSV and FPV's lineups.

[Ultimate]

Oh i read it on a couple of websites. Type BF Falcon In to google and go through the first few you will find it

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Doesnt the the LS2 have 305kw if measured in the same way as Ford does?

The racers dont like the LS2 compared to the LS1 for some reason, they feel the LS2 runs out of puff campared to the 300kw LS1

[Sox]

Originally Posted by YOOT

Yes that is correct, the Boss 290 makes around 285 in the same money, so the HSV version of the LS2 has an easy 20kw advantage over FPV, and not to mention the fat midrange the 6.0 has that the peaky 5.4 does not.

Actually that's not true, the Boss has always been able to match and in many cases better the LS1/2 engines for midrange grunt.

Even if dynos tend to show the GT to be making 10-15kw more at the wheels, the fact that it gets hosed by the LS2 (and the 285kw LS1) simply means that the on paper, and the on the dyno is totally useless and should be banned from forums discussions as a point of comparison.

Nonsense, dynos are fine for power comparisons, so long as they are done on the same day and same dyno.

Firstly the Boss has never been 'hosed' by the GM product, 1 to 2 tenths are just as small a margin as the few kw that people are saying is an advantage.

Secondly, in the instance where the GM product is quicker is simply due to lighter weight and better launch, nothing more.

100kg = 0.2 second.

Rick.

[merlin]

Originally Posted by Ultimate

Oh i read it on a couple of websites. Type BF Falcon In to google and go through the first few you will find it

I googled, can't find anything about the FPV BOSS upgrades - can you provide a link please _2:

[rst2000]

Originally Posted by merlin

I googled, can't find anything about the FPV BOSS upgrades - can you provide a link please _2:

i've spent the last 10mins looking at the same thing and find anything :

[Heeno]

hhmmmm i smell............bullsh!t

[Ultimate]

Me ed up
Its the 190 barra with the 8kw upgrade
Am i a dick head

http://carsguide.news.com.au/news/st...E21822,00.html