FPV rumour: Fact of Fiction?

SSbaby · 09-09-2005, 11:26 AM

Hey Guys

Just had someone posting an interesting rumour on our website. Don't know if it's true or not but I thought I'd share it with you guys anyway.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

FPV is already testing it's next generation engine on the road. As a lot of people already know, it has been codenamed 'Copperhead' but other info that is not widely known:

- initial target KW output was to be 375kw's, but this has already been easily exceeded, and the target is now 400kw for production engines. This is for the V8 engines. It has been achieved by a combination blueprinting the engine, and by upgrading the fuel injection system a la Hemi. From what I was told, FPV have taken a lot of inspiration from Hemi for it's next generation V8;

- FPV will be producing an all wheel drive sedan. The Territory setup has already been successfully adapted, and will feature the new Copperhead V8 coupled with revised gearboxes (both manual and auto).

My source has already been in one of the test vehicles (an M6) on Victorian roads and, by all accounts, the thing goes like a cut snake.

What will HSV do to counter this?? :shock:

The poster went on to say the engine is NA. It seems a bit hard to believe unless Ford US build a huuuuge donk (say 7L+) a la LS7. That's why I'm a little suspicious of the post.

Can anybody confirm/deny?

Cheers

Steffo · 09-09-2005, 11:32 AM

Sounds a bit BS if you ask me...

Dave_au · 09-09-2005, 11:32 AM

A little too optimistic I would have thought - you'd be talking about a degree of engineering that BMW puts in to the M engines, this car wouldn't be able to sell for less than $90k.

Plus the weight of the awd system would most likely push the car over the 2tonne mark, and then there would probably be exhaust issues in designing it around the drivetrain. Remember Mitsubishi and the coupe 4 have both been limited in kw produced from the exhaust design around the AWD drivetrains.

MrSparkle · 09-09-2005, 11:42 AM

I'd say it's right up there with Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Yeti, and the new Cityrail timetable.

Steffo · 09-09-2005, 11:45 AM

Who knows.. they might release a 400kW car.. with an engine, chassis and drivetrain made entirely of lead to increase kerb weight to 2650kg.. ensuring they are slower and handle worse then the competition...

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(before anyone gets all defensive, joke! lol)

JPFS1 · 09-09-2005, 11:48 AM

well i can't confirm the actual power numbers, but one of my good mates (engineer) has seen the next gen config and power targets, all he could tell me was that his jaw hit the floor.

The MaDDeSTMaN · 09-09-2005, 11:50 AM

I smell bullsh!te. Somehow I doubt it very much.

**Polyal** · 09-09-2005, 11:51 AM

hmm I smell some.................

Electric · 09-09-2005, 11:57 AM

And the new Hemi engines don't have anything new or exciting with the fuel injection on them.

The only 'different' thing is the electronically controlled soleniod activated hydraulic lifters, that deactivate the 2 inner cylinders on each bank to conserve fuel.

A 254kW 5.7L engine is hadrly a huge advance over the boss motor. And the R/T's get more power by increasing displacement to 6.2L.

Sound like CR@P to me...

Laminge · 09-09-2005, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

hmm I smell some.................

Oppps, so sorry, must have been the beans from last night!

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Some nice fiction there ssbaby, cheers

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WASP · 09-09-2005, 12:02 PM

mmm...interesting.;)

SSbaby · 09-09-2005, 12:10 PM

Judging from the overwhelmingly negative response, I reckon we scrap the rumourmill section as it seems it will open up a can of worms.

Sourbastard · 09-09-2005, 12:33 PM

I 100% believe it, and it will run on LPG, with an electric turbocharger and 6 hi clones, and will have a mid corner speed tio die for.

Perana · 09-09-2005, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sourbastard

I 100% believe it, and it will run on LPG, with an electric turbocharger and 6 hi clones, and will have a mid corner speed tio die for.

Not only that but a V10 version is also in the works !

4Vman · 09-09-2005, 12:55 PM

There's a point of deminishing returns where KW per Litre of capacity is reached in an engine that a) has to pass strict emission regs, b) has to be user firendly and have good manners, c) has to be fuel efficient and d) can cope with vastly changing climatic conditions without compromising a) b) and c).
Effectively this is controlled heavily by the optimum air to fuel ratio being reached and quantity of fuel charge that enters the cylinder on each cycle.
For the N/A motors: Boss 5.4 is at 53.7 kw/l, LS2 is at 49.5 kw/l,
Forced: F6 is at 67.5 kw/l. XR6T is at 60 kw/l.
The air to fuel ratio won't significantly change from N/A to Forced however the voulmetric efficiency does hence the extra kw/l.
To put it simply it would be extremely difficult to get 60-70 kw/l form a N/A motor in a street car, 50-55kw/l seems to be about the limit with current tech.

4Vman · 09-09-2005, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Perana XR8

Not only that but a V10 version is also in the works !

Whats the go with the constant V10 fairytale??!!!

It will never happen!

09-09-2005, 01:03 PM

Does sound unbelievable, but It'd bloody awesome if it did happen. Still if it did, a little out of my price range

Dave_au · 09-09-2005, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

To put it simply it would be extremely difficult to get 60-70 kw/l form a N/A motor in a street car, 50-55kw/l seems to be about the limit with current tech.

Unless your called BMW or Honda.

Blue Oval Mopar Man · 09-09-2005, 01:05 PM

Mr sparkle, have you thought maybe this car is being built for santa clause and the tooth fairy to in response to the cityrail timetable ??????

it wont be for the yeti . Have you ever met a yeti with a licence ?????

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svo347 · 09-09-2005, 01:06 PM

MMMmmmm V10..
Now theres a can of worms

JPFS1 · 09-09-2005, 01:08 PM

As far as i know there are no new large displacement V8 engine developments from ford, the most recent being the 'hurricane' prooject, which has been canned.

The next engine lineup for Orion will be in production right now, the 5.4L all alloy s/c V8. There may be some configuration changes, but i believe this is the only engine Ford will have to choose from, makes sense from a cost and packaging point of view.

Perana · 09-09-2005, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

To put it simply it would be extremely difficult to get 60-70 kw/l form a N/A motor in a street car, 50-55kw/l seems to be about the limit with current tech.

Seeing the E46 M3 has 78kw/L from an N/A I6.... New M5 has 75kw/L from 5L V10 and New (Yet unrealeased) M3 has 76kw/L from a 4L V8... Then there is Toyota Corolla Sportivo 78.3kw/L and Various Hondas, Ferraris etc etc etc as well. Also there is the 5.0L Cammer V8 from Ford... Emissions Legal and 68kw/L

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Whats the go with the constant V10 fairytale??!!!
It will never happen!

Is an old forums joke

4Vman · 09-09-2005, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

Unless your called BMW or Honda.

F1 doesn't count!

merlin · 09-09-2005, 01:32 PM

Honda S2000 - 176kw from NA 2L = 88kw/L

Isn't there a BMW model with over 100kw/L?

Dave_au · 09-09-2005, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

F1 doesn't count!

Haha, I mean the M3, M5 and S2000. :voldar02:

4Vman · 09-09-2005, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

Haha, I mean the M3, M5 and S2000. :voldar02:

Wonder what the kw/l would be if they were limited to 6000rpm... :dr_Evil:

Black XR6 · 09-09-2005, 03:50 PM

400kw base model production falcon

Whats the performance version going to be? 500kw. 600 maybe.

b2tf · 09-09-2005, 03:54 PM

Well, I wont bag it but I wont believe it just yet either.

Perana · 09-09-2005, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Wonder what the kw/l would be if they were limited to 6000rpm... :dr_Evil:

At 6000rpm the E46 M3 has about 230kw still... about 72 kw/L

Walkinshaw · 09-09-2005, 04:03 PM

Forgot to flush. My bad.