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Would a lot of it have to do with it being a tax deductible item if used for 'work'.
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The reason I bring up the Aussies utes is they always had enough to throw **** in the back and you could tow a box trailer to go with it but not the towing capacity of these trucks. Now you don't have that option.
It makes me understand why these have proven to be more popular than I originally thought. |
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My bet is the Rivian will be the 1st manufacturer to enter our market with Factory RHD.
This is why you will want one over the others. It might take road rage to whole new level. Imagine turning around like that if someone gave you the bird. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BkxjHkOvYY In our market it will be interesting to see how close it will be in price to the RAM ect, as they have the handicap of the added cost of the conversion, verses the added cost of being electric.
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The Rivian is going to start at $69000US. That is basically $100k Aussie without factoring in getting it here plus taxes etc.
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given the RAM will now be made by the Frogs, god knows what will happen.
The prices for Landcruisers etc are ridiculous now, so its hardly surprising that an overpriced penis replacement like the RAM is popular. Lets be honest, if somebody thinks dropping $3~400k on a combo, and then spending 50c/km, is a cheap way to see Australia, then Sound Financial Judgement is clearly not their forte. |
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(HJ60: 10L/100km, 13L/100km towing, puts the new V8 diesels to shame. The maths of it was for every $ in fuel, put aside a $ for maintenance/insurance/depreciation. 14 yo car at the time meant not too much depreciation, happily. Work contract paid all this and more, so it was travel oz for a decent profit) ...we would meet them in caravan parks with huge rig of new 100 series and 28ft van dual axle etc, and they'd inform us over the campfire that we would be paying for their pension after the double dip. I truly hope the rules no longer permit this. Lastly, French bits in 4wds... hmm the 4cyl French turbo diesel Patrol comes to mind... Quote:
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Fuel figures aren't too far off the modern diesels in the real world, if the Cruiser and Patrol forums are true. And an auto petrol 4x4 on sand - fun!
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And just watching the Test cricket, what do you know, a RAM ad:
"Eats utes for breakfast" (gets me thinking of Turbo Terry ad) An ad that is quick, simple, shows the product, gives facts about it (4.5T towing), advertises to the actual buying demographic, and as a bonus overlays the intoxicating, emotion inducing V8 engine sound - a Unique Selling Point. No walking fingers to be seen anywhere! Great stuff. It looks like the fellow that did the BA Falcon ads ('Can't get enough of this')is still working out there somewhere. Also looks like he doesn't work for Holden lol
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Hearing some great economy figures out of these on the Facebook groups with highway unloaded economy in the 9Ls per 100km
Towing economy similar to 4 cylinder diesels too. I’m betting around town they like a drink though, but should be dead reliable Interesting to see how the optional next gen e-torque Hemi goes when it gets here |
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How does the licencing restrictions work with these types of vehicles?
Didn't one of the upper spec models need a LR licence to drive? I recall that some of the lower and mid spec ones you could drive on a car licence had reduced towing and payload capacities to fit in with the car licence rules? I wonder if they will introduce an intermediate level of drivers licence between regular car and LR once they realise there is a huge demand for something that can safely carry and tow a little more than our current full sized utes and 4x4's?
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The RAM 1500 Laramie has a kerb weight of 2650kg and a GCM of 7237kg with the 3.9 ratio. https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/driving...icence-classes There are restrictions on the 2500 when using a pintle hitch but then you're capable of a GCM of 11.4t so fair enough, you can still do 8990kg GCM on the car licence. Last edited by BENT_8; 29-12-2019 at 12:44 AM. |
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Ram 2500 has a gvm of 4490kg which can be driven on a car licence. Ram 3500 has a gvm of more than 4500kg so you need a light rigid licence. However, the 3500 doesn't appear on the Ram trucks Australia website so maybe they aren't bringing them in any more.
RAM 1500, which accounts for the vast majority of Ram sales can be driven with an ordinary car licence. |
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Personally I would love a 3500 duallie but by the time you added all the conversion costs, paperwork etc (if allowed) I reckon I could buy a nice mid sized diesel single drive prime mover.
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How practical would it be to enforce more licence classes, though?
Can you imagine the whining when every vehicle with something on a hitch was mandated to pass through the heavy vehicle checking stations and subjected to Safe-T-Cam monitoring? It would go the way of the P-plater car restrictions on power/weight where they’re not enforced with any credible level of consistency. |
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You only have to sit by a boat ramp or in a caravan park to see that many drivers have no idea about towing a trailer. Last edited by BENT_8; 29-12-2019 at 11:45 AM. |
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Anpr will flag a p plater driving an excluded car if that car is registered to them. Same as they woukd flag a lams motorbike rider on a cbr1000rr if registered in their name. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Nice powerful Engine - Check
Coil rear suspension - Check Opening window between cab and tray - Check These are 3 things I would want on a ute and no other ute in Australia ticks all these boxes. I'm going to have a serious look at one of these when I want a new car. |
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I towed 3.2 tonne with a Ranger the other week, first time with one towing that amount of weight, usually 800-1000kg less. It was fine on the straights but not a lot of confidence to carry speed through corners like I would with say 2000kg behind it. I drive loaded B doubles & semis at higher speed through the same stretches of roads. This is where the Ram would shine and be a more competent tow rig with its larger dimensions, heavier weight and stronger engine. So I'm not suprised that the grey nomads hold up triple and quad road trains when they throw these big vans behind the Thai specials and load them to or beyond GCM then **** themselves when they try to go faster than 90kmh on the straight and flat. |
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As soon as you put coils under a Ranger it's towing capacity falls considerably as with Raptor, why would you bother when there is a vehicle for the same coin on the market right now.
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![]() I didn't say it wouldn't. I'm referring to those that drop $180k on a new Lexus (or even $130k on a LC) then spend another $200k+ on their van plus kit. Obviously you can do it for a fraction of that cost. That's my point. I still reckon that a well-maintained Falcon wagon, with extra LPG tank, is the best (bang-for buck) tow-car around. And I just don't see the point in "luxury" vans. If you want "luxury" you're far better off staying in resorts. The problem is that all these Boomers hark back to their childhood in the 50s, when staying in a van "by the sea" was a cheap family holiday. And now they try to replicate that in their retirement. You'd be surprised. Again, me, depending on range and availability I'd want either LPG, or a decent diesel. But there are Boomers out there towing with their Lexus. Plus if you opt for the petrol version of the RAM I can't imagine they are too frugal with a heavy load on. and in the far north prices during the tourist season regularly top $2 |
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