Ford's $2 Grand Prix - Page 2

R1XSTA · 23-09-2011, 01:59 PM

Imagine how much further the falcon would have gone if it wasn't burning extra fuel from the wind pressure.

**Polyal** · 23-09-2011, 02:03 PM

Why does everyone think that the excise is going to shoot up by 60 cents in two years and PULP remain stagnant..LOL

Yes LPG will increase, but you can bet your life so will the others.

Location plays a large role but CBD and surround areas dont see a huge fluctuation in diesel/pulp price difference. Not that diesel was mentioned in the add anyway.

Its a really simple, effective add, its great.

kennyboy · 23-09-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Yes I realise that is all about $2 worth of fuel... but its not a good test as LPG at 67cent a litre as opposed around $1.40 a litre for fuel.
The average person wont put two and two together.

diesal was once a lot cheaper then petrol then when demand went up because more and more diesals became more efficiant and popular, the price shot past normal fuel.
what happens when LPG price then reaches parity to petrol?
(and if you believe it wont, then I have a bridge for sale)

but its not the same price right now & if it does reach parity, won't be for years, meanwhile extra cost of lpi will have paid for itself x? over

PoweredByCNG · 23-09-2011, 02:20 PM

It has already been proven that the FG EcoLPi already demolishes the FG petrol I6 on a 400m sprint consistently. The FG is quicker than the VE Commodore (even in SV6 SIDI guise) by a fair amount so it would be safe to assume that the more powerful EcoLPi would demolish it even more.

Seduce XR6 · 23-09-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Why does everyone think that the excise is going to shoot up by 60 cents in two years and PULP remain stagnant..LOL

Yes LPG will increase, but you can bet your life so will the others.

Location plays a large role but CBD and surround areas dont see a huge fluctuation in diesel/pulp price difference. Not that diesel was mentioned in the add anyway.

Its a really simple, effective add, its great.

Is a small matter of a new tax on LPG that as far as I remember it was meant to be in already however was delayed because of protests re it however it is still there lurking & was something like 26 cents a litre from memory so if that comes in say next year bang goes a large slice of the difference in 1 foul swoop lol

Seduce XR6 · 23-09-2011, 02:32 PM

As I have said they should have thrown the diesel in the Falcon, guys on the territory section with Diesels have been posting awesome results of approx 6 litres per 100 k's HWY averages so imagine how good it would be economy wise in a lighter & more Aero Falcon

Then all we need is the ZF 8 speed Auto lol

FPT · 23-09-2011, 02:35 PM

If the sv6 is about 14.6 or 14.7, then judging by that gap at 100m (if it's not staged) I suspect lpi is good for mid 14s easy by the end of the 400m.

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Originally Posted by PoweredByCNG

The FG is quicker than the VE Commodore (even in SV6 SIDI guise) by a fair amount so it would be safe to assume that the more powerful EcoLPi would demolish it even more.

That is not the case at all. The 3.6 sidi is quicker than a petrol FG na6.

EFFalcon · 23-09-2011, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Yes I realise that is all about $2 worth of fuel... but its not a good test as LPG at 67cent a litre as opposed around $1.40 a litre for fuel.
The average person wont put two and two together.

diesal was once a lot cheaper then petrol then when demand went up because more and more diesals became more efficiant and popular, the price shot past normal fuel.
what happens when LPG price then reaches parity to petrol?
(and if you believe it wont, then I have a bridge for sale)

its a perfect test.
i'd rather know 400km is gunna cost me $40 then 400km is gunna cost me 40L or 60L what ever the case is.
They're playing on the strengths of LPG and the fact that L/100km isnt the be all of numbers to be comparing.

Diesel has jumped above and below ULP for years, i remember it being more expensive when i was a kid.

LPG's got along way to go before it reaches parity to petrol, especially in metro areas.

EFFalcon · 23-09-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by XW-221

If the sv6 is about 14.6 or 14.7, then judging by that gap at 100m (if it's not staged) I suspect lpi is good for mid 14s easy by the end of the 400m.

That is not the case at all. The 3.6 sidi is quicker than a petrol FG na6.

is that gearbox dependant?

**Polyal** · 23-09-2011, 02:47 PM

I reckon the taxi industry would be lobbing pretty hard against it too...but anyway, thats a different topic, the focus should be on Ford doing some great advertising.

HULK EF · 23-09-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by R1XSTA

Imagine how much further the falcon would have gone if it wasn't burning extra fuel from the wind pressure.

because all of us get from a-b strapped to dyno's?

FPT · 23-09-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EFFalcon

is that gearbox dependant?

No, I wouldn't think so.

flukey · 23-09-2011, 03:55 PM

good ad! more please, ford.

krzysiek · 23-09-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Yes I realise that is all about $2 worth of fuel... but its not a good test as LPG at 67cent a litre as opposed around $1.40 a litre for fuel.
The average person wont put two and two together.

diesal was once a lot cheaper then petrol then when demand went up because more and more diesals became more efficiant and popular, the price shot past normal fuel.
what happens when LPG price then reaches parity to petrol?
(and if you believe it wont, then I have a bridge for sale)

With respect here, I don't think people give a **** about 'how much LPG costs compared to petrol'.

That's the WHOLE point. To EXPLOIT the cheaper price of LPG, and they are showing it perfectly in the ad. The car is cheaper to run on LPG (Gets you further for the same dollars spent).

In the end, that's what counts. The hip pocket. How much you need to pay to run the thing. Then when you see its so cheap to run and still hands out a beating to the competitor, I feel it makes the whole ad quite effective in general.

The G6ET Spot · 23-09-2011, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Yes I realise that is all about $2 worth of fuel... but its not a good test as LPG at 67cent a litre as opposed around $1.40 a litre for fuel.
The average person wont put two and two together.

diesal was once a lot cheaper then petrol then when demand went up because more and more diesals became more efficiant and popular, the price shot past normal fuel.
what happens when LPG price then reaches parity to petrol?
(and if you believe it wont, then I have a bridge for sale)

As far as I can see is the only person that doesn't get it is you.

Gobes32 · 23-09-2011, 05:17 PM

Why so many disenchanted with LPG? It really is laughable. Meanwhile on a Ford Forum in India they are cracking the poops over alternative fuels also.........

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Originally Posted by CNG website

The online Newspaper DNA (Daily News and Analysis) states that according to statistics available with the Bharat Petroleum Corporation Limited (BPCL), the consumption of natural gas in Mumbai, India has risen by a whopping 374% over the past 3 years.

**Polyal** · 23-09-2011, 05:52 PM

Maybe they didnt have LPG 4 years ago...hehe

Franco Cozzo · 23-09-2011, 06:18 PM

That was the SECOND best advertisment I've seen from Ford

I love how they took off all the big sporting events, with the CGI and the commentators and how rediculous it all is.

vztrt · 23-09-2011, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Yes I realise that is all about $2 worth of fuel... but its not a good test as LPG at 67cent a litre as opposed around $1.40 a litre for fuel.
The average person wont put two and two together.

diesel was once a lot cheaper then petrol then when demand went up because more and more diesels became more efficient and popular, the price shot past normal fuel.
what happens when LPG price then reaches parity to petrol?
(and if you believe it wont, then I have a bridge for sale)

Diesel's price was intentionally inflated so that everyone wouldn't buy one and 'dirty' the country. Funny enough diesel should be at the cheaper end of petrol (about 13.5c cheaper) then at the expensive end.

Either way, Ford are advertising the system now, not in 5 years time but now. At this present point in time LPG (in Melbourne) is just under half the price of petrol. The price seems to be getting set at half the price of petrol at this present point in time. So LPG is much cheaper then petrol and will cost the consumer less which is what Ford is trying to push. A large car that is cheaper to fuel then a small car or its competitor.

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Originally Posted by XW-221

If the sv6 is about 14.6 or 14.7, then judging by that gap at 100m (if it's not staged) I suspect lpi is good for mid 14s easy by the end of the 400m.

That is not the case at all. The 3.6 sidi is quicker than a petrol FG na6.

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Originally Posted by EFFalcon

is that gearbox dependant?

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Originally Posted by XW-221

No, I wouldn't think so.

Not like it really matters but the 6 speed petrol was 0.2 slower then the 3.6L SIDI SV6. So there would be nothing in it. Not like it really matters as they are just fleet hacks anyway. Maybe Ford was trying to show that even if its an LPG vehicle it has the power of a petrol car and not the stereotypical slug that LPG cars are thought to be.

phillyc · 23-09-2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by XW-221

If the sv6 is about 14.6 or 14.7, then judging by that gap at 100m (if it's not staged) I suspect lpi is good for mid 14s easy by the end of the 400m.

That is not the case at all. The 3.6 sidi is quicker than a petrol FG na6.

This has been a common misconception lately.

As tested by Motor which tests driver only and mid to low tanks. The VE SV6 with SIDI 3.6 is quicker than the FG XR6 by 0.1sec.

Wheels tests with driver and passenger. The Falcon is quicker by 0.2sec. Clearly the vastly superior torque of the Orion 4.0L helps the cause.

Just 1 passenger or 80kg on board is all that requires to shift the balance around by 0.3sec in the sprint. So, more often than not. The Falcon will win the drag.

I guess you can say that for the first time since the EB2 Falcon in 1992 have GMHolden now had a V6 that can match the Falcon I6 in a straight line. But, even then it requires their best V6 to match our standard...

Now their best V6 can't even match our LPG 6!!!!

R1XSTA · 23-09-2011, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by HULK EF

because all of us get from a-b strapped to dyno's?

Well imagine if the VE was infront and how many laps it would have done then.

I am by no means bashing the ford product, I'm actually complimenting it. It still had to break into the wind and managed a large increases over the competitors.

FPT · 23-09-2011, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

This has been a common misconception lately.

As tested by Motor which tests driver only and mid to low tanks. The VE SV6 with SIDI 3.6 is quicker than the FG XR6 by 0.1sec.

Wheels tests with driver and passenger. The Falcon is quicker by 0.2sec. Clearly the vastly superior torque of the Orion 4.0L helps the cause.

Just 1 passenger or 80kg on board is all that requires to shift the balance around by 0.3sec in the sprint. So, more often than not. The Falcon will win the drag.

I guess you can say that for the first time since the EB2 Falcon in 1992 have GMHolden now had a V6 that can match the Falcon I6 in a straight line. But, even then it requires their best V6 to match our standard...

Now their best V6 can't even match our LPG 6!!!!

Cheers. Hmm, so sidi 3.6 is a one trick pony.

No.6 · 24-09-2011, 12:09 AM

Isnt it a good thing then that $2 of lpg fuel gets you more litres in the tank? I think thats what ford is trying to convey as well.

351capri · 24-09-2011, 11:18 AM

get this on as a tv ad asap i say. love ford lpg vehicles. everyone should have one. cheaper to run, cleaner for the environment. its a no brainer. !!!!

imugli · 24-09-2011, 01:59 PM

Umm... don't most pumps have a little sign that says "Minimum 2litres dispensed". Given that, you'd be looking at minimum $2.80 in Melb.

nstg8a · 24-09-2011, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by imugli

Umm... don't most pumps have a little sign that says "Minimum 2litres dispensed". Given that, you'd be looking at minimum $2.80 in Melb.

you don't really think they stopped all three cars at a servo and put $2 of fuel in each one do you?

as intimated earlier, the test was most likely never done as shown in the ad, and the figures are taken from the official fuel usage figures.

still a good ad, and they definitely need an abbreviated version on the box.

Lukeyson · 24-09-2011, 02:25 PM

I liked it, good comparo, who gives a toss if you get more LPG per dollar, it shows how far those cars go for $2, thats it.
Funny how old mate get cutting Frosty off "oh well its no surprise" ... lol gold

IDT · 24-09-2011, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dimka100

Top gear did something similar before … (with other cars ofcs)

Was not a fan of the drag race, a I don’t think the Falcon would win the commy over a longer run, and the corolla would be demolished by both a lot more … have a feeling it was done as being politically correct … (my XR launches with a wheel spin and it has less power)

I have driven both and I would bet you are wrong by a long shot. Not sure why you need to see wheel spin on launch?

jobeli · 24-09-2011, 11:43 PM

A $2 test???

I would prefer to see the the three cars do a, say Adelaide-Melbourne, normal driving, at speed limit, run in convoy, all leaving ADL together, with full tanks. I say ADL-MEL because most cars can make this range without refuelling on the way.

What the the hell, throw in a few mid sized hybrids or diesels as well to make it interesting.

They all arrive together and refuel at the same servo.

You will probably find the corolla/diesels/hybrids doing 4-6 lph@$1.40cpl,
Commodore/camry doing 7 lph@ $1.40cpl, and the falcon LPi doing 9 lph@$0.55cpl.

Falcon still creams the opposition.

Bobman · 25-09-2011, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Seduce XR6

was something like 26 cents a litre from memory so if that comes in say next year bang goes a large slice of the difference in 1 foul swoop lol

?

Starts at 2.5 cents in 2 months and will be capped at a total of 12.5 cents in 4 years time.

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By 2015 the total fuel excise applied to LPG will be 12.5cpl, whereas petrol and diesel will be taxed at 38.14cpl.

Date Total Fuel Excise
1 December 2011 2.5 cpl
1 July 2012 5.0 cpl
1 July 2013 7.5 cpl
1 July 2014 10.0 cpl
1 July 2015 12.5 cpl