Were you pig headed as a kid?

jphanna · 19-01-2011, 01:12 PM

Unless you are the parent of a teenager, you probably wouldn’t get this. I have to go back to my teenage days to see if I was pig headed like my son is at the moment.

We all know that the EA series was a low point in the history of falcons, BUT if you are given a one owner EA, with 147,000kms with working Air cond, power steering 3.9 multipoint, new gas system, and close to mint condition, because it was ALWAYS garaged , you would think they would show some appreciation….

Well he visited me a week ago in his new ‘toy’. He ditched the EA, to trade up to a …….wait for it….1985 daihatsui charge 3 cyl *******. It has rust holding the roof on. it has no AIR filter on the engine….but his mate said he always drove it without an airfilter….so that’s gotta be ok then. He has no intention of fitting one despite my repeated hammering to him, on the subject. Also the CV joints are clicking away furiously…

The only reason he got, it is because its a manual and he wants to learn how to drive a a manual, so when he is older he can be ready for his worked TURBO XR6.

Someone tell me that they have the same teenage crap to deal with.

bigsta · 19-01-2011, 01:18 PM

kids are silly but must make their own mistakes i guess..

I have a 2 year old and hope he will be better than i was when he is a teen.

Ford_The_Win · 19-01-2011, 01:29 PM

I'm probably not much older than your son, but if I gave someone a decent car and they showed ingratitude like that, I'd be pretty cheesed off. Why anyone would do that I don't understand. That being said, when I got my licence, my dad wouldn't leave me alone when it came to choosing a car. He was gonna find one for me etc, but the thought of him rocking up in a 1992 Commodore and handing me the keys mortified me.

The Yeti · 19-01-2011, 02:18 PM

Let them make their own mistakes and then when it comes time to bail them out you need to work together for them to pay for their mistake (if money is whats required) we've all been youung and stupid, why only yesterday I LOL

but you get my point

kids all want manuals why I have know idea but for some reason they all need to play with a sitck

I would have thought a tidy EA would have been worth more than a 85 Charade but its his mistake to make

fmc351 · 19-01-2011, 02:33 PM

We need a smilie with a kid being smacked over the back of the head. Facepalm just doesnt quite cut it.

Im sorry, but I think your kid is all kinds of nuts. This is what EA bashing gets us.

pulpist · 19-01-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fmc351

We need a smilie with a kid being smacked over the back of the head. Facepalm just doesnt quite cut it.

Im sorry, but I think your kid is all kinds of nuts. This is what EA bashing gets us.

Here ya go, take ya pick

sleek7 · 19-01-2011, 02:34 PM

Some kids dont like the hammy-down situation. They want their own car that hasn't been used in the family before and is different to what the parents own, or because they're not a big fan of what they will receive.
And then there are some who dont mind it all, like my mate who was happy to pay out his old man $5k for the family VS Berlina back when he was 18.
By the sounds of it, you have the first type.
Dont be too rough on him, by the sounds of it he wants to drive something different to what the family has.
But as for being too ignorant to even put a filter on the intake?....well, some things I guess you just have to learn the hard way.

DBourne · 19-01-2011, 02:39 PM

Gotta learn by their own mistakes unfortuantely.

Least he will bin the chaz rather than the EA?

Then maybe once he gets over the sillyness of manual he can do a manual conversion on the EA?

flappist · 19-01-2011, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jphanna

Unless you are the parent of a teenager, you probably wouldn’t get this. I have to go back to my teenage days to see if I was pig headed like my son is at the moment.

We all know that the EA series was a low point in the history of falcons, BUT if you are given a one owner EA, with 147,000kms with working Air cond, power steering 3.9 multipoint, new gas system, and close to mint condition, because it was ALWAYS garaged , you would think they would show some appreciation….

Well he visited me a week ago in his new ‘toy’. He ditched the EA, to trade up to a …….wait for it….1985 daihatsui charge 3 cyl *******. It has rust holding the roof on. it has no AIR filter on the engine….but his mate said he always drove it without an airfilter….so that’s gotta be ok then. He has no intention of fitting one despite my repeated hammering to him, on the subject. Also the CV joints are clicking away furiously…

The only reason he got, it is because its a manual and he wants to learn how to drive a a manual, so when he is older he can be ready for his worked TURBO XR6.

Someone tell me that they have the same teenage crap to deal with.

I hate to ruin your day but the keyword is "given".

Unfortunately at this time our society is set up so you can get anything NOW and pay it off in 1000 years and most things have a life cycle of about 20 minutes before the begger better gooder one is released.

All people under the age of about 30 have only ever experienced life like this and therefore do not understand any other way.

In fact if this is ever mentioned it tends to create rather strong reactions and a tendency to blame everyone and everything else.

Let him buy what he wants using his own money and learn the hard way.

Just make sure you are not being a "helicopter" hovering around in case they need to be "rescued".

Resurrection · 19-01-2011, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

I hate to ruin your day but the keyword is "given".

+1

Don't give anything to your children as most will not value or appreciate it as much as if they had to earn it.

bananas · 21-01-2011, 10:37 PM

[QUOTE=flappist]I hate to ruin your day but the keyword is "given".

Unfortunately at this time our society is set up so you can get anything NOW and pay it off in 1000 years and most things have a life cycle of about 20 minutes before the begger better gooder one is released.

All people under the age of about 30 have only ever experienced life like this and therefore do not understand any other way.

In fact if this is ever mentioned it tends to create rather strong reactions and a tendency to blame everyone and everything else.
QUOTE]

now i dont think that is very fair. for one who are the people who have brought these "kids" into this way of thinking? hmmm? and also not all teenagers and certainly not even "most" under thirties do not think like this. I do agree that quite a few people think like this, and it is a problem, but not all do. hell, i saved up to buy my first motorbike, no pocket money no job untill i was 10 with no help from mum and dad. I got a new bike after that (from mum and dad) and it certainly wasn't new, or top of the line but i spent quite a few days over holidays just cleaning it and appreciating it. I started working at the age of 13 and i just bought my first car just over a year later, and have loads of friends just like me.

last fairlane · 21-01-2011, 11:12 PM

No one has ever given me a car
I have had to work to get what I have had
but still Ive still made mistakes
over the last 45 years of driving cars
Ive done some doosies
the first and this still hurts to this day
I bought a ford 1934 3 window coupe
for ten pounds a bit more than a weeks wages
when I was 17 and after about 6 months
I was offered 50 pounds for it
about 6 weeks wages well
I jumped at it I didnt know what would happen
now we all know what they are worth
then we jump forward 12 years
I bought a 327 GTS Monaro for $1750 yes 1.75k
we had it for 2 years and had more kids
so guess what I traded it on a Valiant wagon
and of course Im still kicking myself
when I had the GTS I met a guy whose father
had a GT HO for sale for $4000 this was in 1975
well I told him why would I pay that much
when he only paid $4500 for it 4 years earlier
anyway now Ive got a 66 T Bird which Im keeping
unless I find a cheap Mach 1
thanks for listening John

flappist · 21-01-2011, 11:19 PM

[QUOTE=bananas]

Quote:

Originally Posted by flappist

I hate to ruin your day but the keyword is "given".

Unfortunately at this time our society is set up so you can get anything NOW and pay it off in 1000 years and most things have a life cycle of about 20 minutes before the begger better gooder one is released.

All people under the age of about 30 have only ever experienced life like this and therefore do not understand any other way.

In fact if this is ever mentioned it tends to create rather strong reactions and a tendency to blame everyone and everything else.
QUOTE]

now i dont think that is very fair. for one who are the people who have brought these "kids" into this way of thinking? hmmm? and also not all teenagers and certainly not even "most" under thirties do not think like this. I do agree that quite a few people think like this, and it is a problem, but not all do. hell, i saved up to buy my first motorbike, no pocket money no job untill i was 10 with no help from mum and dad. I got a new bike after that (from mum and dad) and it certainly wasn't new, or top of the line but i spent quite a few days over holidays just cleaning it and appreciating it. I started working at the age of 13 and i just bought my first car just over a year later, and have loads of friends just like me.

Shame I was not one who taught punctuation or grammar.

*Sloxr6* · 21-01-2011, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

All people under the age of about 30 have only ever experienced life like this and therefore do not understand any other way.

Now this is just crap. How can you put everyone under 30 in the same basket? I am 26 and have worked my **** off for everything I have since I have been 15. I have never taken any hand outs, sure I have been offered handouts but have always took pride in getting everything I want off my own back. I actually take a fair bit of offense to that statement.

Ford_The_Win · 22-01-2011, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dellar69

Now this is just crap. How can you put everyone under 30 in the same basket? I am 26 and have worked my **** off for everything I have since I have been 15. I have never taken any hand outs, sure I have been offered handouts but have always took pride in getting everything I want off my own back. I actually take a fair bit of offense to that statement.

Don't take offence, old people have been complaining about the younger generation for millennia. They did the same thing when my grandmother was a teenager in the '50s. That's how they roll. Not all, but most young people are considerate, polite and generally decent human beings. There are quite a few young people on this forum, you and I included, and we're not anything like some of the older posters around here would like to think we are. I've discussed it before, people form stereotypes from experiences they have. Seeing young ferals on TV and in the street ---> young people must be feral and selfish. Then when they experience decent and polite young people, they write them off as an exception to the stereotype rather than the norm that they are. The truth is that the older generations were just the same when they were young, excepting of course that they had to walk 100 miles to school and could buy see a movie for 20 cents.

*Sloxr6* · 22-01-2011, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ford_The_Win

Don't take offence, old people have been complaining about the younger generation for millennia. They did the same thing when my grandmother was a teenager in the '50s. That's how they roll. Not all, but most young people are considerate, polite and generally decent human beings. There are quite a few young people on this forum, you and I included, and we're not anything like some of the older posters around here would like to think we are. I've discussed it before, people form stereotypes from experiences they have. Seeing young ferals on TV and in the street ---> young people must be feral and selfish. Then when they experience decent and polite young people, they write them off as an exception to the stereotype rather than the norm that they are. The truth is that the older generations were just the same when they were young, excepting of course that they had to walk 100 miles to school and could buy see a movie for 20 cents.

tankclare · 19-01-2011, 03:16 PM

OMG..I've not long ago turned 20 and done a few dumb things but you learn from your mistakes.. BUT trade in a tidy one owner falcon for a charade WHYYYYYY??? he will be kicking himslef in a few years time for it.

Bit different but I once traded my RM 125 that had race forks, lighter rims, rebuilt and modded motor, full polished pro circuit pipes etc you get the idea. I traded it for a VN commodore that broke down and was a headache after having it for a week. I still kick myself for doing it :-(

My only other mistake I kick myself over is selling my pride and joy XF panelvan which was my first road car. It was lowered, shaved with a respray, extractors and sporty, mags, tint, big stereo and I full done the back of it up. I had it since i was 15 and sold it when i was 17 because it had run out of rego and had a small bit of rust under a side window and top of the pillar. I sold it for next to nothing to a mates parents who only ripped the diff out to put in their crappy run down EB wagon and sold off the van. If I knew then what I know now i would of fixed the tiny bit of rust in it and got it registered again then built up a solid xflow for it... ARRRRGH THE PAIN OF THINKING ABOUT IT! I have promised myself to buy another pano and do it up one day to make myself feel better :-(

dannyxm · 19-01-2011, 03:51 PM

I think this is the time to really support your son help him deal with his sexuality and accept that he is homosexual.

JK!!!!!!!!!

Kids eh? What can you do?

Would have thought running around town in the Falcon, with ample room for him and 4 mates would be more appealing than a little 3 Cyl.

Must drives you bananas seeing it in the driveway.

We all regret selling a car or two, unfortulatly your son will join that que in time.

If it makes you feel better, before i was born (im 30) my mum traded her XW Futura for a 180B.

Her brother still gives her grief for it.

block58 · 19-01-2011, 04:26 PM

Does it could as being pig-headed if I'm always right?

But in all seriousness I would say that his refusal to believe that he needs an air filter is disrespectful. He is basing his opinion on the situation on a friend of his (a friend who probably learnt that it "didn't need" an air filter due to poor maintenance) rather than your opinion on the matter, even though you obviously have the knowledge.

As long as you KNOW you are right then you should definitely share you advice and criticisms. If you are unsure whether you are right or not, then play it safe and don't. Otherwise you'll be a bit like my dad:

Quote:

Me: I reckon I'll get SSLs on the back and SLs on the front, that'll make the BA sit level
Dad: That won't make it sit level at all.
Me: But a couple of guys on FordForums sai--
Dad: Nope, not a chance.
Me:

Danny · 19-01-2011, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by danny351

I think this is the time to really support your son help him deal with his sexuality and accept that he is homosexual.

JK!!!!!!!!!

Hmm, funny, cuz most of the gay dudes I know drive High end Audi's, Beemer's, Renault Sports, VW's, Mercs etc. WHY? Because most are a superficial bunch and would never be seen dead in something like a Charade, OR a camry, OR a Mitsu Magna, etc...

A Daihatsu Charade 1985 model is for someone who just does not care at all about that with 4 wheels.. at all...

That said, they are a reliable and tough little bugger of a thing. Aunty had one for years clock ran over twice and died only when my cousin got it as a hand me down and he drove it without oil for months until the engine fell out....

**Tucool** · 19-01-2011, 06:49 PM

Mate your not alone there, mine have no regard for anyone but themselves

(it doesn't help when their mother doesn't know how to say NO! )

snappy · 19-01-2011, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tucool

Mate your not alone there, mine have no regard for anyone but themselves

(it doesn't help when their mother doesn't know how to say NO! )

Bet you where glad there mother didn't no when you were doing the deed that made them .

GT0132 · 20-01-2011, 12:43 AM

My eldest son turns 16 in March at which point he'll go for his L's....The plan is I will buy a car so he can learn in it and I'll use it as my daily driver and put my GT into semi retirement....When he gets his P's 12 months later he can have the car and I'll repeat the process for my other son who is 2 years younger.

When looking at a suitable car all roads lead to a 2002/03 BA MK1 XR6 N/A as they can be had for around 10k private sale and are a good sturdy, reasonably modern car.

If after giving him a BA XR6 he comes home with a 3 banger jap fart cannon I'll disown the young buggar and withdraw all remaining privileges.

I thought turbo cars were a no no for P platers?

snappy · 19-01-2011, 07:02 PM

To answer your question yeah i was pig headed as a kid always right , and i must admit still can be at times . But one thing i was not was a complete fool .

But there always a positive in every story there is some champion out there that swapped a rusty daihatsui for what sounds like a nice ea .

MITCHAY · 19-01-2011, 07:02 PM

I don't think your son is pig headed, just stupid. You can laugh when the shitebox blows up

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drew`SEVNT5 · 20-01-2011, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I don't think your son is pig headed, just stupid. You can laugh when the shitebox blows up

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But he got rid of the EA...?

To the OP, not every teenager with a licence wants a grandpa spec/bogan spec (depending on the condition) 4 door Sedan...

Hes probably having a whole lot more fun thrashing around the 3cyl manual Charade, learning how to actually drive, rather than press an accelerator and steer.

I know when I got my licence, I had the option of being given mum's EF Futura wagon. I knocked it back, and went and bought myself a 1985 Alfa 33 Ti for $1200

TheInterceptor · 19-01-2011, 07:07 PM

Wow i would have loved that EA....

A year ago (when i was 17) i was trying to get the parents to lend me hand ($$) with a car...they told me get a job haha. I was forced to buy my own car and i was trying to get full ownership of the AU but we ended up trading that unfortunatly.

Bottom line is (imo), unless they earn it, they wont really care. If i was given the AU i'd bloody enjoy it, even if it was auto. Manual seems to make you automatically cool these days...

irish2 · 19-01-2011, 07:39 PM

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Manual seems to make you automatically cool these days...

I would say that learning a manual means young guys can jump into a mates car and drive it with very little adjustment. Would look rather queer if you couldn't drive your drunk mate and some girls home because his car was a manual.

TheInterceptor · 19-01-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by irish2

I would say that learning a manual means young guys can jump into a mates car and drive it with very little adjustment. Would look rather queer if you couldn't drive your drunk mate and some girls home because his car was a manual.

Not how it seems round here....also people seem to just drive themselves home regardless.

But yes, i see your point.

Ford_The_Win · 19-01-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheInterceptor

Bottom line is (imo), unless they earn it, they wont really care. If i was given the AU i'd bloody enjoy it, even if it was auto. Manual seems to make you automatically cool these days...

That's very true. Most of my mates that got bought or given cars flog them to death. A mate of mine slinked his mum's immaculate VT off her - now he goes over speed humps at 60 km/h, floors it at every opportunity - even in the middle of winter when the car is stone cold,and is way too hard on the brakes (not unlike most Commo drivers

) . My mates that bought their own cars take good care of them and don't flog them because they understand the hard work that went into buying it.